END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by isma » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:27 am

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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by Anthony » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:41 am

I'm guessing a bit here (okay a lot!) the issue of amp production and sales might be that the orders for new Cornford amps went directly to SE and ceased to go through the Cornford company itself (eg. Paul Cornford). May be this was beyond the original contractual agreement. May be the original contract came to an end yet SE continued production?

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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by ianj » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:42 pm

Talk about flogging a dead horse!
Gadget mate, put us out of our misery and close this thread.

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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by wallympls » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:59 pm

Anthony wrote:I'm guessing a bit here (okay a lot!) the issue of amp production and sales might be that the orders for new Cornford amps went directly to SE and ceased to go through the Cornford company itself (eg. Paul Cornford). May be this was beyond the original contractual agreement. May be the original contract came to an end yet SE continued production?
SE stopped producing in April 2012. Andertons posted in April 2013 that production was stopping?? How could they get amps but Cornford couldn't?
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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by bigbazz » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:22 pm

Andertons have been selling a lot of Cornford amps, if production stopped in April 2012 they must have had a very big stockpile, Andertons went out of stock with the MK50II in early march (this year) and had 3 more in stock by the 20th of that same month, one of which was bought by a good friend of mine. Andertons have been selling a fair few Cornford amps, and have been getting new stock in on a steady basis from SE.
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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by Anthony » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:27 pm

wallympls wrote:
Anthony wrote:I'm guessing a bit here (okay a lot!) the issue of amp production and sales might be that the orders for new Cornford amps went directly to SE and ceased to go through the Cornford company itself (eg. Paul Cornford). May be this was beyond the original contractual agreement. May be the original contract came to an end yet SE continued production?
SE stopped producing in April 2012. Andertons posted in April 2013 that production was stopping?? How could they get amps but Cornford couldn't?
…So anyone who bought a Cornford amp between April 2012 and April 2013 wasn't buying a legit Cornford product. And the official Cornford company didn't receive any profits for these either?

If true, that's a BIG OUCH!

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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by SabbadiusUSA » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:42 pm

Anthony wrote:
wallympls wrote:
Anthony wrote:I'm guessing a bit here (okay a lot!) the issue of amp production and sales might be that the orders for new Cornford amps went directly to SE and ceased to go through the Cornford company itself (eg. Paul Cornford). May be this was beyond the original contractual agreement. May be the original contract came to an end yet SE continued production?
SE stopped producing in April 2012. Andertons posted in April 2013 that production was stopping?? How could they get amps but Cornford couldn't?
…So anyone who bought a Cornford amp between April 2012 and April 2013 wasn't buying a legit Cornford product.
:wtf:

Explain to me how Cornford amplifiers built between 2012 and 2013 is not "legit"? Imagine how Marshall owners will react when they find-out that their non-Jim Marshall built amplifiers are not "legit".

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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by Anthony » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:02 pm

SabbadiusUSA wrote:
Anthony wrote:
…So anyone who bought a Cornford amp between April 2012 and April 2013 wasn't buying a legit Cornford product.
:wtf:

Explain to me how Cornford amplifiers built between 2012 and 2013 is not "legit"? Imagine how Marshall owners will react when they find-out that their non-Jim Marshall built amplifiers are not "legit".
No offence was meant by the comment and Gadget re-assures that the amps were are all made to the same spec which means we're all good.

What the sentence means is that from April 2012, Cornford had not agreed to the amps nor received any payment for the builds. If, as Wally states, Andertons requested the amps directly from SE during that period and Cornford were not aware of their sale or even production the products, whilst bearing the name and build spec, where built out of contract and without permission. Read into that what you will.

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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by SabbadiusUSA » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:07 am

Anthony wrote:
SabbadiusUSA wrote:
Anthony wrote:
…So anyone who bought a Cornford amp between April 2012 and April 2013 wasn't buying a legit Cornford product.
:wtf:

Explain to me how Cornford amplifiers built between 2012 and 2013 is not "legit"? Imagine how Marshall owners will react when they find-out that their non-Jim Marshall built amplifiers are not "legit".
No offence was meant by the comment and Gadget re-assures that the amps were are all made to the same spec which means we're all good.

What the sentence means is that from April 2012, Cornford had not agreed to the amps nor received any payment for the builds. If, as Wally states, Andertons requested the amps directly from SE during that period and Cornford were not aware of their sale or even production the products, whilst bearing the name and build spec, where built out of contract and without permission. Read into that what you will.
SE had been building Cornford amps for quit some time prior to 2012, so there's no difference between any of them in terms of design. They all use the same circuit with minor variations not unlike what you would find in any Marshall amp. By example, the RK100 calls for a 43k tone-stack resistor, yet mine is a 46k from the factory. Will I change it? No! That's part of the 'charm' of the amp IMO. The only obvious differences are the early Philips MKT caps (which became unavailable) vs. the later (blue) Konek brand MKT caps. Other than that, they are the same.

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Re: END of the CORNFORD Line - BREAKING NEWS!

Post by lienffur » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:28 am

SabbadiusUSA - how did this thread get to be a caps discussion?

We're talking about the fact that Paul Cornford has said that he didn't give any one person or company permission to make Cornford amps...
Yes, Straight Edge has been making the amps. Yes, their director also registered 'Cornford Amplification Ltd' as a company & a trademark in Nov 2008, and is listed as Cornford's director.
Straight Edge says this was done to protect Paul's interest, with his full knowledge; Paul says he did not find out until months later.

Amps made by Paul/Martin back in the day vs those made recently by SE may be 100% identical, but the concept of 'legitimacy' is down to what the amp's owner feels about Paul's involvement in manufacture, or otherwise.

Legitimacy in legal terms is another matter entirely. I would think the person who owns the company name & trademark is 'legitimately' able to build 'Cornford'-branded amps.
In this case, it would appear that it wasn't Paul Cornford, which is at the heart of the conflicting statements between Paul & SE.

Until they iron out their differences - which ain't gonna happen with a continuing 'he said, she said' discussion on here, with Joe Public endlessly speculating about the 'real' truth - then none of us will ever know which bits of whose accounts is the truth.

Can we please have a positive announcement about what is happening, going forward? Otherwise, it's already history...

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